My patient experience with Dr. Klinghardt & the Sophia Health Institute


After testing positive for Bartonella through a PCR test in Europe I was faced with the prospect of treating what I now simply refer to as Lyme disease. Though Lyme Complex may be a better term. The (ILADS) trained Doctor who diagnosed me explained that the presence of a co-infection such as Bartonella usually indicates that Borreliosis (Classic Lyme) is also part of the picture.

I jumped out of my seat and whooped for joy! After 9 years of living with the mysterious diagnosis of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/ME I finally had something solid I could sink my teeth into. Somewhat surprised by my jubilation the Doctor quickly went on to explain that while it’s good to know what I’m dealing with, this is a difficult condition to overcome. He recommended an extended course of antibiotics along side nutritional support for anywhere up to 18 months. The strategy being to treat up until the point that symptoms resolve and then continue for 3 months after that just to be sure.
A Visit to the White Whale of Lyme Doctors

A Visit to the White Whale of Lyme Doctors

I went home and mulled over my treatment options. The big decision being whether to pursue treatment with a doctor who primarily favoured the use of antibiotics or instead choose one that preferred other means of getting the Lyme and any co-infections under control.
I knew straight away I wanted to pursue an integrative approach to treatment. One that included detoxification, addressing heavy metals, dietary changes, exercise, parasite eradication, immune support etc. But the question loomed large as to whether I should use the antibiotics. or not. This choice weighed heavily on my mind for a number of months during which I researched other patients stories and learned everything I could through the internet.
Eventually after hours of walking in circles around the pond in my girlfriends parents garden (this helped me think), I came to the conclusion I wanted to give alternative treatments a decent trial before potentially employing the use of pharmaceuticals later down the track. However there appeared to be valid reasons on both sides of the treatment equation.
In the end this was essentially an intuitive decision, in that it came from my ‘gut’. This is rather ironic considering that this is where 80% of the immune system is said to be located and the area most impacted by long term oral antibiotics. What helped maintain my sanity during this extended decision process was framing the decision as a win-win. Two potentially powerful methods of recovery, but which to try first?
So having decided on an initial treatment approach my Doctor of choice was Dietrich Klinghardt (Dr. K). I had come across his protocol 2 years previously when a naturopath I hold in high regard had recommended his work. His cameo in the documentary Under Our Skin along side advice from Scott Forsgren (from Better Health Guy) were the final straws. I had been impressed by Dr. K’s depth of knowledge and open minded philosophy so I immediately began the process of trying to getting in touch with the staff at his new clinic, the Sophia Health Institute.

The Sophia Health Institute

The Sophia Health Crew

The Sophia Health Crew

It seemed Lady Luck smiled down upon me. I only had to wait two months before being able to visit the clinic, securing two appointments with Dr. Katie Dahlgren and (thanks to a cancellation) one with Dr. K him self.

The Institute is located about 30-50 minutes drive (depending on traffic) outside of Seattle in Washington State, USA. The building itself is modern and well designed having only recently opened in 2012. It’s a beautiful part of the world surrounded by towering trees and picturesque lakes.
I’ve been told its normal to have to wait anywhere up to 4-5 months for a new patient appointment with Dr. Klinghardt and usually you must spend a certain period of time being treated by one of the clinics N.D’s (Naturopathic Doctors) before he will see you. From what I gather it seems all of the N.D’s working with Dr. Klinghardt are highly proficient and experienced in treating Lyme, some of them (like Dr. Klinghardt) having recovered from it themselves.


My Visit

All up I spent 5 days in Washington state staying 3 nights at the Enliven Bed & Breakfast just 15 mins drive from the Sophia Institute. My host was Teresa who had reclaimed her own health through the use of natural and alternative therapies and was familiar with Dr. K’s work. Teresa’s home is beautiful and has a definite healing quality to it, the breakfasts were nutritious and delicious and her kindness through out my stay was greatly appreciated. Best of all she has a collection of guitars that guests are welcome to play. I had the rest of my meals (all organic) delivered to her house through a local company called Dancing Woman, it was expensive but worth it. Cooking is the last thing on your mind after a long day at the clinic.
My first consultation was with Dr. Dahlgren (N.D) who took my patient history and performed an extensive session of Autonomic Response Testing (A.R.T). A.R.T is an energetic testing system created by Dr. K that is similar to Applied Kinesiology but specifically focuses on the Autonomic Nervous System and uniquely incorporates the dynamics of the human bio-photon field (or light body).
Following this testing Dr. Dahlgren prescribed an extensive protocol for me. Dr. D was a kind and patient practitioner answering all my questions and appearing to have a very thorough understanding of Lyme disease. It was explained that I may get worse before I get better and that anywhere up to 18 months is realistic time frame in which to expect recovery. She told me that when patients stuck to their protocol the clinics success rate was high.
My next appointment was with Dr. K himself and I must admit I was fairly excited going into it. In certain circles he has the reputation of a kind of medical rock star and when I finally went into his office I felt like dropping to my knees in an I’m not worthy moment a la Alice Cooper in the movie Wayne’s World. I explained this joke to his assistant and she laughed while Dr. K just admitted he hadn’t seen the movie. Too busy healing people I guess…. But honestly who hasn’t seen Wayne’s World!?
The session went for an hour and I wasn’t disappointed. Dr. K has the air of a a true healer and instantly makes you feel relaxed. He treated me with care, his full attention and as though I was an equal. After taking his own history he addressed each of the questions I had for him and then proceeded to conduct his own A.R.T investigations. He asked a lot of questions as he went along and worked closely in tandem with his assistant practitioner.
Before long he ascertained that my major blockages at that time appeared to be in the jaw, likely caused by an old root canal and the over zealous removal of my wisdom teeth. He advised that it would be very difficult for me to heal unless I had these sites re-opened and cleaned, recommending a short list of dentists he trusted to do the job. He utilised Applied Psycho Neurobiology (another of Dr. K’s systems) to identify and  treat on the spot some of the emotional traumas that may have contributed to my condition. He provided more than a few nuggets of quality life advice along the way and added a few extra supplements and homeopathics to the list Dr. Dahlgren had recommended.
While at the clinic I also had DMPS injections, two sessions with the resident Osteopath and UV blood treatment, which involved drawing a small amount of blood, exposing it to UV light and then putting it back into the body in order to cleanse the blood. My final session was a follow up with Dr Dahlgren which involved further A.R.T testing to refine my diet and also some Neural Therapy in which she is highly proficient.

The Protocol

My protocol was largely based on how I responded to the A.R.T testing, so each patient obviously receives an individualised treatment plan. I was instructed to follow through on the neccessary dental work and also proscribed a course of 4 different anti parasite drugs to complete over a period of two months. Also advised were mold mitigation techniques, decreasing exposure to EMF’s (especially Wi-fi), maintaing a sense of lightness (or joy) and avoidance of gluten.
Most of the supplements were available directly at the clinic and are manufactured by Biopure, a company that Dr.K is affiliated with. Future orders are placed through a very efficient lady by the name of Christina who handles all the postal orders for the clinic. My nutritional protocol looked like this (I created the sub headings based on information from Dr. Dahlgren):
Detox Support
Hyaluronic Acid
PC Ecklonia Cava
Chlorella Vulgaris
Kidney Support
UNDA 243
Matrix Electrolyte
GI support
Beta Glucan Probiotic
Thyroid Support
Brain Circulation
Nutritional Support
Vitamin D3 Complete
Homeopathic Kidney Drops
Pine Pollen Drops
Extract of Stinging Nettle
Asparagus extract
Nexus Suppository
Lyme Nosode
Nebulized Triquench
Nebulized Liquid Garlic
Lyme Cocktail
Lipo Health

What did it cost?

Doctors Fee’s & Tests – Just under $3000US.
Ongoing Supplements – On average around $800US per month.
The chocolate Keto bars I couldn’t resist on the clinics front counter – $20US.
You also have to factor in car hire, accommodation and airfares. This added around another $2000 US to the total.

Is it Working?

Essentially it’s too early to tell. My definition of a full recovery right now is the ability to work a 9 to 5 day, have the energy to start a family, be able to go for a run or dance late into that night without severely paying for it the next day. I’m not there yet. Although it’s already been over 9 months since my initial appointment I quickly became busy with previous commitments (a project in India which limited my ability to fully comply with every part of the protocol). Taking all the supplements as well as maintaing a healing state of being is practically a full time job and moving around as much I have this year severely limits ones ability to stick to the plan. So I’m not noticeably better than when I first started but haven’t taken too many steps backward either. In my opinion the Lyme cocktail tastes like the bottom of a murky fish pond so I’ve been building up to this slowly. The anti parasite drugs were a challenge but temporarily improved my gut symptoms.
Since visiting the Sophia clinic my major focus has been the 3 visits to Munich for dental surgery. This work included removing an old root canal and replacing it with a zirconium implant and also removing the degraded bone matter from my old wisdom tooth excavation sites. Good times… The first of these procedures left me feeling as ill as I’ve ever been for around 2 months but the surgeries seem to be getting easier each time. My approach has been to slowly add one element of the protocol at a time. I view this healing path as long and focused trek through the country side rather than a hectic 100 metre sprint. The last thing I want to do is overwhelm and essentially disempower myself by trying to do everything at once, after all, Seattle wasn’t built in a day.
However throughout this whole time I’ve slowly been moving towards a time and place where I can fully commit to the healing process and this is tremendously exciting. This has involved continual research and self education around Lyme disease, selling my house, planning a move to a cheap and natural place to live (Thailand) and convincing my girlfriend to come with me (she is, woohoo!). Another aspect of this has been the formulation of projects to keep my mind engaged while I’m not busy getting better (at present these include the launch of my next blog and writing a book about my adventures). I trust the advice from the Sophia health clinic and remain quietly confident that over time I will nip this condition in the bud.

Are there any down sides?

Due to the nature of the A.R.T based diagnostics employed at Sophia Health phone consults don’t really pack the same punch and regular visits are encouraged. Dr. Dahlgren requested I visit every 4 months to begin with but this just hasn’t been possible for me. Seattle is about as far away as you can get from where I have been living in Melbourne (and also in Brussels), meaning a long flight and killer jet lag on arrival. If you don’t live in Washington State or at least the States it’s a bit of a journey. Though when it’s not raining the surrounding scenery is very beautiful.
I’ve noticed when I’m not regularly consulting with a local Doctor or practitioner I find it much more difficult to stick to the protocol. After no contact for a month or two it can all begin to seem like a dream and I begin to lack motivation. Less frequent appointments appears to be the norm for most big name practitioners (due to cost and waiting lists) so I’m sure many others experience this same phenomena. I’ve often thought having a health coach on the side would be one way to overcome this inter-appointment malaise. Another approach I’m currently experimenting with is forming a group with 2-3 others in the same boat and checking in with each other once a month to stay on track. I plan to post more about this tactic another time.
Another potential issue is the apparent conflict of interest between Dr. Klinghardt and the company Biopure. A large percentage of the supplements at the clinic are manufactured by Biopure. Now I’ve chosen to trust Dr. K and the team so I haven’t probed too hard into this, but it doesn’t sit well with me that some leading practitioners out there choose to sell their own brand of medicine or test exclusively in personally owned laboratories. Now of course the argument in their favour is that this is the only way to be assured of quality and that some supplements just aren’t available in the market. But still in a perfect world I reckon this is a situation best avoided. I’ll keep you posted when I find out more.

And Finally…

The guiding principle underpinning Dr Klinghardts treatment approach is the ethos of creating a sense of harmony rather than simply going to war on the pathogens. I like this idea and look forward to seeing if it works in practice.

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75 Responses to My patient experience with Dr. Klinghardt & the Sophia Health Institute
  1. Dave Ou
    August 14, 2013 | 7:12 pm

    Dr. Klinghardt has stated that he has no financial affiliations with Biopure so there should not be any conflict of interests.

    • Joe
      August 15, 2013 | 11:30 am

      Great that’s good to hear. If only the rest of the industry was structered the same way!

  2. Amaya
    August 17, 2013 | 9:18 am

    it is nice to hear from you again!
    I am glad you are finding a way to recover fully and I hope you get it!
    Please, continue as long as it takes, it took me almost two years of continuing orthomolecular treatment and detox to start seeing results and I am now after 3 and half years at my 85 % recovery!!!
    It this is of help, I had my doubts about practitioners prescribing their own supplements but now that I am studying orthomolecular nutrition myself I can understand them as it is the best way to know what a patient is taking and how to help them best!!
    Regards and happy recovery path!!

    • Joe
      November 5, 2013 | 8:13 am

      Hi Amaya,
      Thanks for the burst of positivity and good news regarding your own recovery!
      Interesting to hear your take on prescribing their own supplements, what you say makes sense, though in a perfect world it wouldn’t be this way. So lets get busy making it a perfect world :)

    August 30, 2013 | 2:51 pm

    Thank you so very much for this post. I’ve been trying to get an initial callback from Sophia HI for two months. Have been pulled to Dr. K’s work since first getting diagnosed with Lyme 3+ years ago. I work with a local MD, Southern California. He was just beginning to get Lyme literate when he suggested I get tested. I did say yes to the antibiotics, after much soul searching. Took 3 different antibiotics for two and a half years. No improvement. It appears that the bug causing most difficulty for me is babesia. We went through a huge mold remediation process with our home last year. Not counting on that to be a magic bullet, but hoping for some improvement. None yet. Having a challenging time “keeping the faith”, which is why we decided to pursue the work with Dr. K. By the way, my MD also has supplements produced under his clinic’s name. And I have the same objection. Thanks, again, for your detailed post.

    • Joe
      November 5, 2013 | 8:10 am

      Hey Mary Ellen, thanks for your update. Hope you’re seeing some improvement!

    • caren
      December 2, 2014 | 7:17 pm

      hi maryellen, i am also in southern ca. i was wondering who the dr. you are seeing here is?

    • Christy
      September 26, 2015 | 4:43 am

      MaryEllen – Is the clinic you’re currently going to, by chance, the Holtorf Clinic?

  4. Jo
    September 16, 2013 | 2:52 am

    It’s great to hear your positive approach to Lyme disease. My son and I have pyrrole (KPU) and I am trying to find Dr Klinghardt’s ‘Core’ vitamins. Do you buy it from the States and if so do you have any problems with customs. The pyrrole supplements here in Australia cost $200 for mine and around $70 for each of the kids. Core would work out a lot cheaper.
    Thanks for the run down of the costs involved to see Dr Klinghardt, I am concerned my son (7) may have it and I will get him tested next time we are in Europe. Did you get tested here in Australia or did you send your blood overseas?

    • Joe
      November 5, 2013 | 8:08 am

      Hi Jo, sorry for the delay. I order the Core vitamins from the States and haven’t had any customs problems as yet. I got tested some years ago now so forget exactly where, I think I might have sent my blood off overseas. Hope you guys get well soon, Joe.

  5. Judy
    September 16, 2013 | 9:36 pm

    Would you be able to give me the list of dentists that Dr. Klinghardt recommended? Did you ever go to any of these? If so, how did they test for cavitations. Did they use ozone therapy besides debridement?


    • Joe
      November 5, 2013 | 8:06 am

      Hi Judy.
      The dentist recommended to me was Dr. Lechner in Munich as I have been living in Belgium. I went to him and had my cavitations cleaned out. They used ozone for 10 minutes before the surgery and also infused Ozone into my blood 3 days before the surgery. All in all I was pleased with the clinic, though the results to my energy have been negligible as yet.

      • paola
        March 13, 2014 | 10:12 pm

        hi joe,
        who injected the ozone into your blood – was it at klinghardt’s institute or at the dentist?

        • Joe
          May 1, 2014 | 10:04 am

          Hi Paola. I had this done through IV at the Dentist in Munich.

          • Iveta
            December 30, 2015 | 2:57 am

            I need to find a dentist Klingharth recommends, either in US. I have major dental issues from 15 years of Lyme and others. What is the dentist name in Munich, since I am originally from there. Thank you for your site. Heads up.

          • michelle
            June 1, 2017 | 2:55 am

            Hi Joe,
            Thanks for sharing the recommendation for the dentist. I am in the states, but I have a very good friend who lives in Munich. You said Dr, K offered a short list of dentists… do you remember if there were any in the US and their names? I am looking to take care of my teeth first as well before treating Lyme. May I ask.. how did they know you needed to reopen sites for cleaning? Was this something that showed in the ART testing? Did they do more testing in Munich before deciding on what treatment? You mentioned you were really worn out for 2 months after that! Being that it is 4 years later now, would you say it was worth it? How are you feeling overall now? Geesh, I know I just asked a lot of q’s, but I am also wondering what the cost was like for the procedures you needed in Munich? Thanks so much for this blog post! Very helpful!

    November 5, 2013 | 1:04 am

    Hi. I really would like to try the Sophia Institute/Dr Klinghardt but all the posts that I have seen about his clinic usually end with “It is too early to tell….” “No major results yet….” ” I feel a bit better…”.

    Has anyone had major good (or bad) results with Lyme disease and its con-infections using the Klinghardt clinic and protocols? And how long did it take? Cost?

    I have been sick a long time and if i am going to borrow money to go somewhere, it really needs to have a high chance of working. Please help with all replies. Thanks. Brett

    • Joe
      November 5, 2013 | 8:01 am

      Hey Brett.
      Be good to hear from more patients!
      Hope you find the info you’re after.

    • Amanda
      November 16, 2013 | 6:01 pm

      Dear Brett,
      I dont know where you are located but I believe you can get the help closer to home and really heal your body. You can use some of the Klinghardt protocols, they are easily available on the web.
      I had an appointment with Dr. K. and whereas he was very nice, the protocols were extensive, very expensive, and some of the things made me sick. He usually puts you with one of his assistants. I got somebody new who told me I could contact her by e-mail if I had any questions. However, once I bought all the stuff and e-mailed her she said that e-mail was not appropriate.
      I have left numerous messages with his office to contact a practitioner and book a follow up appointment (I do not live anywhere near Seattle) and his office have not had the coutesy to return any of my calls for over 2 months now. I am also a holistic practitioner and I find the way his office runs to be inconsiderate to patients who are dealing with chonic illness.
      Please dont waste your money and find somebody gifted in your own back yard. You will need the on-going compassion and support for these protocols and you will not find that with Dr. K’s office. He is not the only doctor who can help with this. Good luck.

      • Reba
        June 15, 2014 | 10:57 pm

        Who do you recommend?

        • Aliisa
          January 21, 2016 | 11:22 pm

          Hansa Center in Kansas

  7. Sarag
    April 10, 2014 | 7:12 pm

    We just got diagnosed borelia, and I say we cause it was my 9 year old that was most ill, and she was first to get positive western blot which led us to define my fibromyalgia diagnosis to say the least…we have three kids infected and we were drawn to Dr. K’s approach and are doing all the steps we can under the care of my long-term DC. We are just one week in, so I can’t say much, except I have full confidence in the herbs. The herxing has begun in everyone like clockwork, and the nutritional support in the Klinghardt cocktail is supporting and improving many of our symptoms despite the die-off pains, so I have much hope. I don’t want to use a firehose approach with my already tender kiddos, so we are going to peel back the onion one layer at a time. Meanwhile, even once we started tumeric and silver (Tumero brand from Apex), within 7 days there was no more progression of my oldest’s severe neuro symptoms, so my belief is within nature and time we will heal completely. If we introduce more toxic chemicals and damaging abx for treatment we will be further damaging already damaged tissues, adding confusion over symptoms, etc. I wish we had access to the ART, and maybe after two months we will start gearing up to make a trip to Seattle!
    Thanks for sharing..

    • Joe
      May 1, 2014 | 10:01 am

      Hey Sarah,
      Thanks for the update. Really glad to hear you’re making some progress, I hope it continues!
      Your logic makes alot of sense to me.
      Onwards and upwards :)

  8. brett moore
    April 30, 2014 | 7:53 pm


    It is about 10 months since you went to Klinghardt and said it was unclear if there were any improvements yet….Do you have any clearer opinion now? In particular, for all the money and time sent, have you seen a REAL AND SUSTAINED change?? Could you pls reply as soon as you can.


  9. brett moore
    April 30, 2014 | 7:53 pm


    It is about 10 months since you went to Klinghardt and said it was unclear if there were any improvements yet….Do you have any clearer opinion now? In particular, for all the money and time sent, have you seen a REAL AND SUSTAINED change?? Could you pls reply as soon as you can.


  10. brett moore
    April 30, 2014 | 7:54 pm

    And does anyone else have any further experience- good or bad- with Klinghardt…


  11. brett moore
    April 30, 2014 | 7:55 pm


    I am in NY now and really need some help. Any doctors you know of here?

    And would it be ok to speak with you before I cancel Klinghardt (who I was booked to see…)?


    • Rex
      May 28, 2016 | 1:30 am

      Dr. Robbins ( ozone)

      Dr horowitz “why cant you get better” you tube
      Dont underestimate dr.robbins direct ozone injections

    • Isa
      November 17, 2016 | 11:48 pm

      Hi Brett

      If you are still checking this thread, wondering which doctor you used in NYC and if you in fact went to Seattle? How did it work?


  12. Craig Stuart
    May 14, 2014 | 8:44 pm

    I am a former patient of Dr. Klinghardt’s, at the clinic in Kirkland before they started Sophia.

    I had a history of CFS, insomnia, with all kinds of underlying infections (including lyme), thyroid issues, heavy metal toxicity, etc.

    I had 4 total visits over the course of a year. My first 2 visits I saw Dr. Dalhgren, who was fantastic. We cleared a lot of infections and metals out of my system, and I began to improve each month The next 2 were with Dr. K himself. He saw lots of EMF sensitivity. We tried some things that worked, some things that didn’t.

    Overall, my health greatly improved during my time following Dr. K’s protocol. I’d say I improved to about 95% good health. With some tweaking, thankfully I got the rest of it figured out.

    With travel, doctor’s visits and monthly supplement orders, I spent just over $20,000. Pricey, yes, but totally worth it. I would do it over again in a heartbeat.


    • Joe
      August 8, 2014 | 7:39 pm

      Awesome Craig. Thanks for the update! Brilliant to hear you got better through Sophia health. I got sidetracked after getting a tooth removed and implant placed on recommendation from the clinic. Since then I haven’t been able to follow the rest of the protocol from Dr. K. But I hope when my system settles down I can continue with it. Good to hear inspiring stories.

  13. Reba
    June 15, 2014 | 11:00 pm

    I have same questions as Brett! Looking forward to responses!

  14. california woman
    July 30, 2014 | 9:28 am

    These comments have been so helpful. I have also had problems in getting a call back from the clinic. Dr. Klinghardt’s lectures are priceless but the way the clinic is run is frustrating. I have decided to cancel my new patient appointment there.

  15. SallyM
    August 19, 2014 | 3:38 am

    Thanks for sharing your story, it has been very helpful!
    Which dentist were you recommended by Dr. K and are they in Seattle? I am in the Portland Oregon area 4 hours south of Seattle.
    I have 10 silver amalgams which I’ve accumulated since I was a child and I have suffered from chronic fatigue for many years. I would love to go to the Sophia Clinic but I cannot afford it. I have decided to start by getting the largest amalgams removed and see if that helps me. Also what are the names of the anti-parasitic supplements you received.
    Thank you and Blessings,

    • Joe
      August 19, 2014 | 3:07 pm

      Hi Sally, great to hear its been some help.
      I was recommended a dentist in Germany and a dentist in Switzerland as I was living in Europe at the time. However there will be dentists much closer to your home.
      In my experience dental work has just given me more trouble than benefit and held me back from focusing on other treatments.
      I was given 2 prescription medicines for the parasites, I forget their names, Alinia was one I think. I’m sure a google search will reveal more.
      Good luck!

  16. Shelley
    August 27, 2014 | 6:24 am

    I wish I could contact the person who wrote the piece you mentioned bashing Klinghardt, the ignorance and spite in general DID crack me up, but even more so on a personal level due to the fact that Klinghardt has -IN SO MANY WAYS- saved my life. (this is the article I am talking about)

    • Joe
      September 5, 2014 | 11:06 am

      Great to hear you got your health back Shelley.

    • Ellen
      December 24, 2014 | 1:44 am

      Shelley, could you write some more about your experiences? I am eager to know what you mean by “-IN SO MANY WAYS- saved my life” because someone I know well has a need for that kind of help. Thank you.

    • Jack
      February 7, 2015 | 9:40 am

      There seems to be a master and his followers theme going on in that article. The master tries to show off by bashing someone obviously completely in the other end of the spectrum than his own believe system and thus gaining his followers praise.

      There is nothing informative or useful in the article for those who seek real applicable knowledge that could make them improve their health.

      I think you have to skeptical. The real test of any method is the results. Unfortunately there is so much noise and lack of transparency that getting a glimpse of the truth is really hard.

  17. Wendy
    October 18, 2014 | 9:17 am


    I can’t tolerate alcohol, so my early experiences with the Cocktail were horrible. After days of unsuccessfully trying to find alcohol-free versions of Quintessence, Viressence & Propolis, I emailed Sophia Clinic — I’m not a patient there and have had no contact with Dr. K.

    But his Nutrition Manager Tina did her own research & sent me links to a variety of companies that produce almost all the non-alcoholic components! Though the final extract has just arrived & there’s 1 company I’ll never patronize again, thanks to Tina I’m making the Cocktail. The taste is nasty & I’m detoxing unpleasantly but minus the initial alcohol-caused hangover; and the detox is more tolerable than when I started. So I think the protocol is helping.

    My experience with Sophia is through Tina, who’s been extraordinarily supportive, especially since I’m not a patient there & she has no responsibility to help me.

    If anyone wants the alcohol-free extract makers list, email me with a subject line relating to Lyme or this website & I’ll be happy to give you the info. I’ve been here a few times but don’t check in regularly, so if you comment & I don’t reply it’s because I’m here rarely.

    • Sissi
      December 12, 2014 | 6:46 am

      Wendy, sadly I cannot write you an email. would love to know the info! I absolutely cannot do alcohol. I just don’t see your email address…
      I’d also love to hear more reviews. I am thinking about making an appointment, and am reading mixed reviews everywhere.

    • Susan
      January 1, 2015 | 5:46 pm


      Can you send me the list of alcohol free extract makers.
      Thank you.


    • Marge
      April 6, 2015 | 2:40 am

      Hey Wendy!
      Any way you could email the alchohol free extract makers for the cocktail? that would be so amazing! thank you!

    • laura
      December 6, 2015 | 5:22 pm

      hi, please share the alcohol free cocktail makers list so I can add this to my treatment regimen. thanks very much!

    • Agnes
      January 17, 2016 | 11:02 pm

      Hi Guys,
      My uncle is 82 . He lives
      in Hungary. He contracted Lyme a few years ago. He does not take drugs. He uses heat, hot water, sauna etc. Lyme does not like heat. It works for him. He is doing well. As hot as you can take it. You see a change. At least 3 times a week at the beginnings.

    • Caitlyn Becher
      September 9, 2016 | 3:58 am

      Hi Wendy,

      Thank you for your information and experience! I would LOVE to know the non-alcohol version if you don’t mind sharing?

      Thank you again!

    • Lucille DePhillips
      February 15, 2017 | 10:07 pm

      What is your email address. I cannot find it on your comment. Please send me the alcohol free extract maker list.

    • Sandy
      August 5, 2017 | 10:19 pm

      You didn’t leave an email so hopefully I can reach you through here. I would like the info offered: If anyone wants the alcohol-free extract makers list, email me

      • Lori
        September 23, 2017 | 6:21 pm

        Hi Sandy and Wendy,

        I would like the list of the alcohol-free extract makers list please. Thank you!

  18. James
    December 27, 2014 | 5:06 pm

    Its interesting that he chose to call his clinic “Sophia” – Sophia is the goddess in Gnosticism that is responsible for everything bad coming into existence. Its also troubling that the reports of recovery are so few, especially considering the huge sums of money involved – and then add to that the basic lack of humanitarian concern reported by some and this is starting to sound like the medical answer to Scientology.

  19. Arch Chawla
    January 12, 2015 | 10:56 pm

    I have seen Dr. Klinghardt. In my opinion he is the best doctor in the world. To get better you have to follow his protocol 100%. Yes it is expensive, but if you can afford, your health cannot be measured with money.

    Dr. Michael Baylin in Baltimore, MD, USA is an excellent biodentist, by the way.

    All the best to all of you!

  20. Andreas
    March 16, 2015 | 2:59 pm

    Hello Joe,

    This is very interesting! I’m going to Sophia soon but wanted to live in a low cost country for the duration of the treatment. I had looked at Thailand, but running off on my own is rather iffy given that I have some fatigue. Have you thought about making an informal retreat for Sophia patients? I would have loved to be part of a group of maybe half a dozen people who live in Thailand and do the Sophia protocol.

    Have you traveled to Thailand yet? I’d like to know a bit more about the cost there and the access to decent food. I know it’s cheap, but how cheap is cheap? Is there access to organic food? I know there are access in more remote areas, but they may be more inaccessible.


  21. Angela
    April 2, 2015 | 6:07 am

    I adored Tina and Destiny and the staff there. They are all heart and very caring. Our son was very ill and saw dr K for an hour. He suspected a number of issues, worm in the brain, Lyme, mold. We were handed over to an ND in her residency. Very caring. Thorough. So we started a protocol – but after 3 weeks – he flipped out. In retrospect, no one knew just how badly he was herxing or what psychiatric agony he was in. I also guess by ripping biofilms off with ivermectim, and maybe going after babesia, we exposed Bartonella and there was no protocol given to calm these mad buggers. The Bart symptoms of mania and suicidal rage were obvious now I see in retrospect. It ended quite badly in involuntary commitment in a local psychiatric clinic. Needless I was furious with them for almost two years. I got over it. My major complaint is that Dr Klinghardt did not supervise his staff well. Or perhaps was too busy, also given it was vacation/summer time. And the mistake of the resident, bless her heart (she felt so badly about the additional suffering of our son), was to throw everything at once. No sequence of healing or even which infection was being addressed first. No ground work in detox of metals. Little diagnosis back up (for credibility with our prime MD at home). No slower approach – we would have gone a year in steps, not days — for a kid with severe psychiatric symptoms. The good doctor is brilliant but my sense is he is not fully committed to his clinic and too spread out. He cannot cure everyone – but if he went slower and supervised more his staff, the reputation of his service would be outstanding. From many reviews – this is just not the case.

  22. JLynn
    April 4, 2015 | 5:56 pm

    Hi Joe, Hi All,

    Health, Happiness & Love…
    May I add a few more resources for help…
    First and foremost.
    There is a radio show
    that has fantastic guests, Dr. Klinghardt did 3 interviews that are priceless. It has archived podcasts that cover just about any topic.
    Its Free…

    Now, this next website is wonderful as well.
    Andrew Saul puts years of research into one place.
    This site is a lifesaver.
    As it offers inexpensive options, using Vitamin C, & so much information FREE.
    Backed by solid research.
    Also,, in search engine, type in Dr.Jennifer Daniels.
    She explains Old time remedies that work.

  23. Jessica
    May 13, 2015 | 2:41 pm

    I can put your mind to rest regarding Dr KLinghardt’s “conflict of interest” regarding Biopure. He doesn’t have one. He makes nothing from Biopure and has stated that publically many times. He works with Biopure so that he can recommend the products which he knows for certain are clean and biologically active — it’s an element of his perfectionism, I think. Also, he has worked with Biopure to develop many products which did not exist in the market place — such as the Nexus suppositories — good products that help Lyme patients and were never available until he designed them. I’ve been a patient there for a few years and have always been encouraged to get my products elsewhere if I could find them at a cheaper price or if I could find a better product. This is one of the reasons I trust Dr Klinghardt.

  24. Carla
    May 24, 2015 | 3:12 am

    Great write up on Dr. Klinghardt! I have long-term, neuro chronic Lyme that I am treating using with antibiotics and herbals, but I know I will eventually have to invest more into my treatment. Finances is the only thing that’s holding me back and anything other than a co-payment is too much for me right now. I hope eventually money won’t be an issue (I’m on disability) but at least there is hope for effective treatment.

  25. Michele duRivage
    June 29, 2015 | 4:07 am

    Anyone know of Dr. Kundhardt practitioners in NY/CT area?



  26. Linda Blatt
    July 16, 2015 | 1:08 pm

    Hey Joe, thanks heaps for this post! I’m just about to go over to see Dr K from Melbourne, Australia myself and am wondering how you are doing now? I’m a bit scared re the whole cavitation thing (I’ve had 4 wisdom teeth removed too previously) given your experience with it and the price. Would you recommend putting this off perhaps to a later date? Also, do you think in retrospect 5 days there is enough? I’m not sure if ill be able to afford a 2nd week though I wish I could. Would love to hear how you’re doing now. I am really unwell with Lyme and coinfections (that I got in USA 2 yrs ago) and mold toxicity and very tired of taking iv and oral antibiotics. Thanks again and hope youre doing well these days and enjoying Thailand if that’s where you are now!:)

  27. Bonnie Huntsinger
    March 24, 2016 | 10:42 am

    I would like a copy of that list of Dr.K. Cocktail ingredients that are sourced and are non-alcoholic. Thanks! 💚

  28. Pauline
    April 8, 2016 | 1:12 am

    Re: Non-alcoholic detox cocktail?
    I was wondering if you could send me info about this detox cocktail (non-alcoholic) as I am unable to drink alcohol.
    Thank you so much!

  29. Amelia
    April 10, 2016 | 11:19 pm

    Hello, I have had lyme, and co-infections mycoplasma, bartonella, and babesia for about 20 years. I have done oral antibiotics, IV antibiotics, and natural treatments. I was also exposed to very high levels of mycotoxins 5 years bringing lyme and co-infections out of a 10 year remission. Thus over time I have worked with many different many lyme literate doctors and tried many different treatments as well as working with specialized toxic docs. Since hitting the mycotoxins the lyme has been slightly different. My main lyme doctor is on the Central Coast in California and I have a wonderful internist in Los Angeles.
    I did go to the Sophia Health Institute to work their doctors, as well as other doctors out of my area. I was getting much stronger by the time I went to Sophia. The visits to Sophia can be quite taxing, just a warning for those who are very weak and traveling far. I went to Sophia twice, the second time was the 3 month follow up that Sophia suggested. I found out after returning home from the second visit (a week long visit of daily treatments – actually treatments are from morning until evening) that the protocol I was given was not at all working with my body.
    When calling Sophia to speak with my doctor about this my doctor was so booked that I was given a doctor who had never met me to consult with. This doctor basically told me that I needed to continue taking all that was prescribed to me the way it was prescribed and that what I was experiencing had nothing to do with their protocol. I knew this just was not true. I was not having these symptoms prior to my visit to Sophia.
    The short version is that I gained much knowledge by going to Sophia but in terms of ongoing treatment Sophia is not equipped or designed to give this. My more local (3 hours driving time away for one hour driving time away) lyme doctors teamed up to help me. They were able to re-balance my body by closely listening to my symptoms, listening to what my body liked, and helping me really hear to this as well. Apparently I was detoxing too quickly, the previous protocol was too heavy handed for my body,
    So there was much learning involved, thankfully I have a doctor that knows my body very well and another local doctor who is an amazing listener. Both doctors like to remain curious and have wonderful follow up care.

    • Patricia Dair
      August 27, 2017 | 12:43 am

      Hey Amelia, would you please pass along leads on those two CA practitioners? I’m asking for a friend who cannot trek up to Sophia but appreciates their integrative approach. Much obliged and good wishes! P

  30. Mella
    May 22, 2016 | 6:50 am

    I am recently diagnosed with Lymes and will be working with Dr. Quentin McMullen in Ann Arbor, MI. I believe he studied with Dr. K. In any case he mentioned him when he told me I had tested positive and said he uses some of his protocols. I have not started taking anything yet but Dr. M listed ozonated anti-fungal oils, chlorella, glutathione, alka seltzer gold, lemon water as some of what I would be taking. He also warned me there could be herxheimer reactions. I have had these with other protocols and found charcoal can help.
    There must be other doctors who have also studied with Dr K.
    If alcohol is in your protocol and you cannot tolerate, put it in a small amount of water that has just boiled and let it sit for 10 minutes. The alcohol will evaporate in that time. This was suggested to me by a homeopath when my son was young and he was given homeopathic liquid dosages containing some alcohol.
    Best regards and wishes for good health to all.

  31. carolyn cline MD
    August 29, 2016 | 2:02 am

    Hi Wendy,

    Thank you for your information.Would appreciate very much the list of manufacturers who make the non-alcoholic extracts; I do not tolerate alcohol anymore, which i believe is one of the enzyme blocks i am experiencing! This will definitely stand in the way of my successful treatment. thank you for your kind attention!

  32. Denis Ables
    September 9, 2016 | 3:37 am

    There is a youtube out there – google Dr. Rowen & Lyme Disease treatment, which may be relevant. It involves a young man, too crippled by Lyme Disease to enroll in college who Dr. Rowen treats and the recovery (or remission, to be determined after some time passes) occurs within a short time (don’t recall whether it was days or a few weeks).

    The treatment involves ozonating your blood, so clearly cleans up the blood which enhances your immune system which can then also be supportive.

  33. Sarah Bonilla
    January 10, 2017 | 10:36 pm

    So the last comment was from 2014. I wonder how peoples experiences have been two years later??

  34. Lindsey
    February 7, 2017 | 1:47 am

    Joe!! How are you!!? I am going to see a doctor at the Klinghardt Clinic in Seattle and wanted to check in and see how you are doing on your healing journey. I hope you have achieved recovery!!! Healing vibes your way!! xoxo

  35. Priscilla Luh
    February 18, 2017 | 4:19 am

    This is a response to the question of Biological Dentist recommendations. Wish I had this 20 years ago before doing all this work, only to have a pseudo bio dentist put amalgam back in!

    3 years ago, I drove from Ohio to Texas to see Dr. Glaros. Fabulous BTW. There, I learned to google the “International Academy of Biological Dentistry & Medicine” for a list of biological dentist practitioners. I was told, “if they’re not on this list, they are not Biological Dentists.” It has been wonderful in moving forward after the initial implant and mercury removals.

    Hope this helps!

  36. Valerie Brooke
    March 30, 2017 | 8:24 am

    Why did you go to a dentist in Munich and can you recommend him/her and say who they were?
    Regards, Valerie

  37. Valerie
    March 30, 2017 | 3:36 pm

    Sorry, now that I have read the whole page properly, my question has been answered.

  38. Cheryl
    March 30, 2017 | 9:52 pm

    I just read Dr Mercola’s articles an Lyme and his interview with Dr Klingheardt which brought me to
    this page. I’ve read all of the above posts and it’s been several years since the last post. Does anyone have
    Anything new to report on healing using these protocols. Any new developments in more advanced treatment plans. I’m in Florida looking for Dr.

  39. Medical Travelling
    May 3, 2017 | 2:05 pm

    Hi Joe

    I just came across your site. Nice to read about your experience with Dr.Klinghardt. I first heard about him when I did research about heavy metal chelation. As you surely know he favors the the chlorella/cilantro combo, but I haven’t tried it. Some say it’s risky. I got good results even from IV EDTA and later Cutler’s frequent low dose protocol.

    I noticed you have been to India too. There are many clinics out there that offer same kind of treatments and tests as Dr.K, but with much lower price tag. As well as in Thailand. Some can do outsourcing to US based labs like Genova diagnostics etc. I have reviewed some of them on my site and more content is on the way..

    from Medical Travelling

    • kim
      September 16, 2017 | 12:03 am

      hi there fellow suffers of these horrific parasites, molds & bacterial infections. Does anyone know a doctor who tests for parasites & infections in the gut in Melbourne Australia? I have been very ill for the past 10 years with no improvement. I was diagnosed with blastocystis about 6 years ago. I heard about Dr. Froomes in Melbourne who performs the triple therapy drugs through colonoscopy to rid the person of the parasite. I had one course injected into the colon & another course orally to finally rid myself of the bug. Unfortunately I the got c.difficile infection from all the drugs i had consumed & became very ill, so then had a course of vancromyicin followed by a fecal transplant with Dr. Froomes. Came out feeling great for about 2 weeks & then the symptoms came back again, chronic diarrhoea, so more drugs & another transplant (FMT) . i also have severe diverticulitis disease which was diagnosed in my mid 40’s, I am now 64. I now have had 5 colonoscopies in the last year with no real answers & feel absolutely exhausted. Can anyone help me find the right Doctor and testing in Melbourne. I really do not like western medicine & it doesn’t like me. Please help

  40. Vance
    November 29, 2017 | 9:21 pm

    I wonder if the original poster started all those products at once. A problem with DrK approach, in my view, is that it’s rather like spraying the patient with a shotgun blast. Too much stuff, all at once.

  41. KWM
    February 5, 2018 | 12:31 am

    Hi All, For anyone looking for LLMDS in their area, the moderators of various Lyme boards keep a comprehensive list. That’s how we found a great one in NC.

    High doses of antibiotics worked well for us for many years, and got me back to about 87 percent. I just didn’t want to be on antibiotics the rest of my life.

    So we opted for vascular stem cell transfer (your own stem cells, from fat), last summer in Beverly Hills. (Infusio.) Ton of money, but tackles all types of Lyme and co’s–including neurological symptoms– and results are impressive.

    Takes about a year to rewire your immune system, but you will see immediate changes. I am at 6 months, and that is where you go back for a blood infusion to further prepare the stems for their heroic tissue repair, which starts taking place at 7 months.

    Re: Dr. K. Some of his information is cutting edge, but the dental recommendations are extreme imho. Dr. Marty Ross and Dr. Richard Horowitz are not advocates of this and for that reason alone, I cherry pick through Dr. K’s recommendations.

    If you are going to spend big money, do it with Infusio. Not getting my teeth pulled, replaced and flying overseas to do it for $$$.

    I may buy Klinghardt’s ionic foot bath. Infusio says there is no evidence it works, but I like the idea so why not?

    Bottom line, reduce the parasite load, the bacterial and viral load, and change the terrain of your immune system so that your body can vanquish this. There are plenty of people who test positive for Lyme but are asymtomatic because their immune systems keep it under control.

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